How Women Without Kids are Transforming Society with Ruby Warrington

Exploring the World of Non-Motherhood

Challenging Societal Narratives and Embracing Our Truth

In a society that often defines success and fulfillment for women through the lens of motherhood, it's essential to honor and celebrate the diverse paths individuals choose for their lives. In this episode, I had the pleasure of speaking with Ruby Warrington, author of "Women Without Kids," as we delved into the multifaceted world of non-motherhood and the societal constructs that perpetuate binary thinking and erode the value of alternative choices.

Breaking Down the Mommy Binary: Unraveling the Spectrum of Motherhood

Ruby Warrington's research challenges the deeply ingrained binary between those who cannot have children and those who consciously choose not to. Socially, we treat women who can’t have kids but perhaps desire to very differently than we treat women who don’t want kids for whatever reason, considering the former selfish and often uncaring. By shining a light on this motherhood spectrum, we are reminded that experiences, pains, losses, and joys transcend the rigid boundaries these stigmas impose upon us.

Undoing Pronatalism: Valuing Non-Parents in Societal Transformation

Pronatalism, an ideology that prioritizes and values parents over non-parents, serves as a cornerstone of the colonial capitalist system. By positioning women as the technologies of reproduction, this framework perpetuates gender roles and maintains a status quo that supports the exploitation of labor and resources. Ruby passionately challenges this harmful narrative, emphasizing the vital role that non-parents, especially women, play in driving societal transformation amidst the urgent crises of climate impact and economic collapse.

Shedding Shame and Unleashing Creative Potential: Embracing Our Truth

The shame and stigma associated with deviating from societal norms can be oppressive and inhibit our full creative expression. Ruby Warrington urges us to recognize the danger posed to the status quo when we embrace lives that align with our authentic selves and channel our creative life force into endeavors that ignite passion and purpose. By shedding shame and challenging prevailing narratives, we reclaim our power and wield it to shape a world that honors diverse choices and pathways.

Found Family and Community Engagement: Redefining Support Networks

As we navigate the complexities of non-motherhood, the significance of found family and community engagement becomes evident. Embracing less hierarchical and more inclusive ways of creating community and family offers a supportive network that transcends traditional definitions. Ruby shares her insights on the value of social connections and community engagement, highlighting the importance of fostering meaningful relationships beyond the constraints of societal expectations.

Embracing Choice, Redefining Norms, and Unleashing Our Creative Potential

Ruby Warrington's book ultimately serves to illuminate the ways non-motherhood challenges us to question societal narratives, dismantle harmful ideologies, and embrace the power of self-authorship. By shedding shame, valuing multiple forms of categiving, and fostering inclusive communities, we can create a world that honors the multifaceted nature of human experiences and empowers each individual to direct their creative life force energy toward endeavors that bring fulfillment.


I wanted to write this book to validate the path of non motherhood and to express that whatever our reasons for being nobody’s mothers, it’s okay. Maybe we are different. But we’re equally valid. And actually there are very many important reasons that people are either choosing not to become mothers or feel they’re unable to become mothers. And I just didn’t really feel that that conversation was being had with any level of seriousness or with a degree of respect that it deserves.
— Ruby Warrington, Depth Work Podcast Episode 46

Also in this episode:

  • breaking down the mommy binary

  • undoing the ideology of valuing parents over non-parents within colonial capitalism

  • women without kids as a necessary vital part of societal transformation among decimating climate impact and economic collapse

  • found family and less hierarchical ways of creating community and family

  • what caregiving looks like within and outside the role of motherhood

  • social life in berlin and the value of community engagement

  • undoing shame of being “deviant” or “other” and taking back our creative potential

There’s something incredibly dangerous to the status quo about us no longer feeling ashamed for choosing lives that are right for us, and within that choosing to direct our creative life force energy that we all embody into whatever we so choose. Shame is so exhausting and so prohibitive to our full creative expression. The longer we feel ashamed for who we are and the choices that we make as a result of the people that we are, the less power we will have to wield in the world. The less shame we feel about that, the more emboldened we will be to put into the world, the creations, the ideas, the thoughts, the ideologies that reflect who we are and what we want, and what we need.
— Ruby Warrington, Depth Work Podcast Episode 46

About Ruby Warrington:

Ruby Warrington is creator of the term Sober Curious. Author of the 2018 book and million download podcast of the same title, her work has spearheaded a global movement to reevaluate our relationship to alcohol. Other works include Material Girl, Mystical World (2017), The Numinous Astro Deck  (2019), and The Sober Curious Reset (2020). With 20+ years’ experience as a lifestyle journalist and editor, Ruby is known as an astute cultural commentator and true thought leader. She is also the founder of self-publishing incubator Numinous Books. Her new book, Women Without Kids, is out now.


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